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#15

I think Atom is going to be big for the Web Developers on Sublime. Being able to render webpages inside it etc. is really going to be nice for them. For others it will be interesting to see. It really does feel like an ST clone with git integration.

I am a bit surprised that Sublime isn’t mentioned more as well. Giving at least a shout out feels like the right thing to do. They borrowed the style, the command palette, go to anything, pretty much everything except the underlying architecture.

I am going to miss the python plugin layer in it as well. Python is such a fun language to code in. Though I know plenty of javascript, and I understand why javascript makes the best choice for a node.js editor, it is not nearly as enjoyable to code in JS.

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#16

CoffeeScript is rather pleasant man :smile: and you’ll have a consistent deployment target, which means you’ll be able to use properties and what not, which most people avoid in the browser.

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#17

Pleasant for Javascript :smile:. Javascript is the language of browsers. So, yeah if I am using a browser, CoffeeScript is a much better option. Javascript out of the box is awkward for classes and such, so anything that improves Javascript is welcome. No offense to Web Developers, you need to love what you do, and you have to do Javascript. But if I can pick any language, it would not be my first choice.

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#18

Looking at the packages code and documentations (all I can do right now as I’m a Windows user), I’ve great expectation from this new editor.
It borrowed most of the great features of ST and it look like plugins could do almost anything, way more powerful than ST (which is already great).
Some might say they stolen ST ideas, which is probably somewhat true.

In addition Atom have done what jps should have done long time ago: put all packages to Github and let the community improve them.
Have you see the number of Pull Requests already pushed ? In a few days and on a MAC only platform, it’s quite impressive.

It’s too early to speculate but it looks like jps will have hard times to sell ST in a not so far future…
And it makes me a little sad :frowning:

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#19

I think Sublime could still compete if some basic things change for Sublime. Sublime still has time.

Atom appears it won’t be free when it is complete, so you will have to pay for it just like Sublime.

Atom still lacks quite a bit of functionality that needs to be built up as official packages. Sublime is always going to have an advantage with speed due to using native code (I am interested to test how much of advantage, haven’t had a chance to really test extensively). Atom really needs a better built-in package manager (browsing and installing needs to be better). Needs to be able to manage projects…seriously, how is that not already in there.

With that said, Atom is extremely modular. Everything is a module which allows for ridiculous customization which lends itself to even cooler plugins since you can design web interfaces into a tab for a plugin, probably create your own overlays etc. Probably allows for people to mess things up with their plugins more too, but I guess there is always a price to pay for high customization. For web developers, I feel an editor that is a web browser is going to have some serious advantages over sublime.

But the big advantage of Atom is going to be support. If Atom in the end is so close to Sublime functionality, enough that people can easily switch, and the price is comparable, and the speed close enough, the added benefit of support in Atom will probably be the nail in Sublime’s coffin.

If sublime would spend serious effort on the current bugs, and iron out some things to be more consistent in the API and such, I think Sublime could still be a contender in the future. I think if Sublime added better access to render interfaces for plugins, that would make it a very good contender. I don’t think it necessarily has to expose everything like Atom does. I used to love customizing the heck out of Linux OSs, but these days, I find it exhausting. I don’t need to customize everything, just the things that matter. I’m also not a web developer, so I don’t really need the web advantages that Atom potentially can offer. And because I’m not a web developer I don’t really know how big of an advantage Atom actually has as an editor.

Atom is not ready for enough for me to jump ship; maybe down the road. I would be interested to hear Jon’s take on Atom…

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#20

I’ll use exactly the same phrase i used on E-text back in the day: I think Jon is using Atom and he doesn’t care about Sublime anymore :mrgreen:

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#21

[quote=“iamntz”]

I’ll use exactly the same phrase i used on E-text back in the day: I think Jon is using Atom and he doesn’t care about Sublime anymore :mrgreen:[/quote]

That would be funny. Using Atom to write Sublime :smile:.

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#22

As an aside, if anyone wants to poke around with Atom I have a couple of invites remaining. Just send me your email. *edit: all gone!]

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#23

Sent you my e-mail! :smile:

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#24

I’d love an invite.

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#25

Look at Gaug.es, the last thing they bought. They practically abandoned it and had to sell it on because people were getting angry.

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#26

[quote=“nblackburn”]

Look at Gaug.es, the last thing they bought. They practically abandoned it and had to sell it on because people were getting angry.[/quote]

I stopped using Gaug.es because they didn’t do anything with it and it’s so limited.

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#27

i’ve been playing one day with Atom and…
i’m very happy that SublimeText exists!
they’ll take time to get (if ever) to the fastness of ST…

and since now i’m coding mostly with JetBrains IDEs… i keep my trusty ST always open for fast searches, formatting, keeping open tons of other projects…

let’s see in one year where Atom will get to!

ciaoo

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#28

The more I play with it, the more I feel Sublime won’t be surpassed any time soon. I am spoiled with the Sublimes speed, and honestly, I don’t have the issues with Sublime some people complain about. For me Sublime works great. Atom is a bit slow at times. Try dragging a folder or file onto it. Takes way too long, and then finally opens up a separate window…even though I didn’t want a separate window… As cool and extensible as Atom is, I need my editor to be fast. Atom is something to keep an eye on though. And I will definitely keep playing with it while it is free to see how it progresses.

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#29

It doesn’t look like Atom will be open source. So, meh, it’s hard to get excited about it.

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#30

I second facelessuser comments.

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#31

As the developer, may I also introduce LIVEditor ? Since day one the idea has been “A code editor for web development that blurs the distinction between the text editor and web browser” (although it wasn’t phrased so) :smiley:

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#32

I hope Atom will “cost” as much as Sublime :wink:

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#33

[quote=“awant”]

I hope Atom will “cost” as much as Sublime :wink:

It’s going to be open sourced, according to Github.[/quote]

It isn’t, according to GitHub’s co-founder Tom Preston-Werner:

discuss.atom.io/t/why-is-atom-closed-source/82/4

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#34

There has been a lot of Sublime inspired projects published on the web lately. My main concern is that they all seem to be browser/node based utilizing javascript. Based on my experience with js and further supported by tests of some of those projects, I don’t expect speed to come even close to that of ST. But as ST’s speed is so extreme, even a relatively big reduction in speed would still make a quite fast program.

As speed is one of my main reasons for using ST and as those other projects currently being quite a long way from the plausible “quite fast” state I will at least stay with ST. I would also have to agree with Facelessuser on his points.

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