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Re: What's happening

Postby mark4 on Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:51 pm

concerns? easy

Open sourcing could turn ST into something akin to eclipse where 245629365236454 developers all add feature upon feature upon feature and you end up with a bloated, ugly , slow, mishmash of utter crap. And this thread is horrendously old and i thought it was a new thread grrr. mental note to self, look at date of original posting before replying :/
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Re: What's happening

Postby iamntz on Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:38 pm

There was another editor that tried to follow the model of paid open source: E-text.
Long story short, last commit is 4 years old.
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Re: What's happening

Postby iamntz on Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:49 pm

eMarvin wrote:With the substantial difference that Sublime Text has a devoted following and E-Text didn't.


Back in the day, when sublime was just a little baby, E was a pretty good editor.
Then it was open sourced.
Then it was abandoned.
Then we discovered Sublime :)
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Re: What's happening

Postby Orlmente on Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:22 pm

eMarvin wrote:
iamntz wrote:There was another editor that tried to follow the model of paid open source: E-text.
Long story short, last commit is 4 years old.


With the substantial difference that Sublime Text has a devoted following and E-Text didn't.


E-texteditor had a large following back in the days, it was the Textmate-for-not-apple-users, I remember the forum threads asking to opensource it and as iamntz said the fast decline once it open-sourced... lucky me ST was grown enough to be a replacement (even though I still miss the file-dragging actions)...
Another example of editor died soon after open-sourcing is Crimson Editor (speaking about 2003/2004), it gone from open source to abandoned like the same day...

Intellij and Ecplise may be opensource, but they are not the same as ST, they are IDEs and ST is not...
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Re: What's happening

Postby yrammos on Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:31 pm

I also agree that atom.io will eventually win in polish and perks like git integration. Alas, it might even win as an ecosystem of extensions and plugins. But I doubt it could catch up in sheer speed, which is a very compelling advantage of this editor, unless we witnessed something as outrageously outlandish as a hardware JavaScript coprocessor or something. Besides, many users, especially professionals, are resistant to changing workflows. Take LaTeXTools, for instance, a SublimeText tool that thousands of users rely on, and the labor of months if not years of commitment (and commits!) by its developer. Try porting that to atom.io… So, overall, I very much hope jps will open-source this product, under or not under his stewardship, handing it over to a select (and lean) group of core developers who will ensure its viability for the next few years at least.
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Re: What's happening

Postby n00ge on Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:02 pm

@iamntz Progress with E-text slowed down a lot and had a lot of the frustrations that we're seeing here that caused Alex to open source it.

I'm not sure open sourcing would be right for Sublime and that's ultimately Jon's decision but I think the Sublime audience would be much more active than the Windows only audience for E-text.
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Re: What's happening

Postby aparajita on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:09 pm

As someone who has spent a lot of time writing and maintaing open source projects, I can say unequivocally that open sourcing ST will not magically help. Open source software only succeeds on a large scale when there is consistent funding behind it. Why? Because *someone* has to pay for the time it takes even to review pull requests, deal with bug reports, etc. And without some kind of funding, that someone ends up being the repo maintainers. Ask yourself how long *you* would be willing to put in 5-10 hours per week for free.

Even if the code base is open sourced, how many qualified C++ programmers are there out there in the ST community who are willing to spend lots of their free time over an extended period of time to work on ST? And you would need people who know the native toolkits of OS X, Linux and Windows. This is not a trivial thing that is being proposed. After an initial spurt of enthusiasm, ST is just as likely to be abandoned or progress at a slow pace as open source.
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Re: What's happening

Postby hansifer on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:36 pm

Agree 100% with aparajita.

People get religious about open vs closed source yet tend to have very little understanding of the real costs and benefits of either approach. Ultimately, with projects like this the dev is the only person qualified to make the call.
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Re: What's happening

Postby mlepage on Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:05 pm

So what is the current state? Is there something holding up v3? Is there a roadblock or malaise? It's summer 2014, when will v3 be out? By xmas? In 2015?
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Re: What's happening

Postby macjohnmcc on Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:12 am

jps wrote:Hello,

Due in no small part to this, I've been putting very sporadic hours into Sublime Text. At this stage, I'm not sure what it's future is. The two paths are to either get over the hump, and get it done with the new UI, or to officially stop development work, and release the code as is as open source.

Jon


While I'm sure that many would welcome the project as open source that we really feel a lot better with something official even if we have to wait. Look at how well TextMate has done since it went open source. (hint: not well) The developer went through a similar problem with development and couldn't get over the hump to release a new version everybody was waiting so patiently for. Perhaps instead of going completely open source you could move some of the functionality out of the main project into some kind of plugin system and then let others contribute to those external components while you focus on the core functionality.

I can imagine that this is a rather complicated project and that maintaining it yourself is a big challenge.

Sublime has saved me countless hours during the past months and it would be ashame if it were to wither and die.

Thank you for the product and I hope you will find the motivation to get over the hump and find joy in the development.
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