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Re: What's happening

Postby GrantSP on Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:13 am

While I am not an open-source zealot, more of a open-source novice (using the religious meaning that is), if the Sublime Text project is now under a malaise there is no reason to not open source it.

The arguments above are valid, the time involved to oversee the code pull requests would be a big ask, but is it any more than trying to maintain the project yourself?
Let some other coders in but maintain the last say in what goes into it.

About the whole open-source argument, there is a sort of middle ground that could be taken. There is already a huge number of coders that have developed plugins, and not received any monetary gain for their efforts. Would they not be more than likely to give help to the codebase if necessary? Jon would still maintain the rights but not have as much strain upon him and IF coders wanted to help they could, with no constraints placed on anyone to meet any perceived goals. How could it be anymore slower than it is now?

Also on a lighter note, it isn't the summer of 2014, it is the winter here in Australia, land of SublimeText. :D
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Re: What's happening

Postby wbond on Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:39 am

Please read the thread in full and note all of the dates. Someone resurrected this thread from 2009 that was written before Sublime Text X (later Sublime Text 2) was even announced.

The most recent update from Sublime HQ Pty is at viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15477&p=58951#p58951. As it says, feel free to contact sales@sublimetext.com for any related questions.
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Re: What's happening

Postby excalibur1976 on Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:55 pm

For me ST 3 already works really fine.
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Re: What's happening

Postby ntenney on Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:15 pm

koink wrote:
excalibur1976 wrote:For me ST 3 already works really fine.


I think that misses the point of the concerns people raise about lack of development and communication. It's about the time invested in workflow/writing plugins for a potentially dead end.


No, it gets exactly to the heart of that point. I use Sublime every single day for hours every day. For me, it has already paid for itself multiple times over. I am getting my moneys worth and then some with Sublime EXACTLY as it is today, without any additional features or a future road map. If Jon never released another version of Sublime, I'd be sad, but it wouldn't stop me from getting value from Sublime in the future. If Sublime fits into your work flow now, why worry about when the next release will come out? If it doesn't then you should probably keep looking for something that will.
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Re: What's happening

Postby pete340 on Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:01 pm

ntenney wrote:
koink wrote:
excalibur1976 wrote:For me ST 3 already works really fine.


I think that misses the point of the concerns people raise about lack of development and communication. It's about the time invested in workflow/writing plugins for a potentially dead end.


No, it gets exactly to the heart of that point. I use Sublime every single day for hours every day. For me, it has already paid for itself multiple times over. I am getting my moneys worth and then some with Sublime EXACTLY as it is today, without any additional features or a future road map. If Jon never released another version of Sublime, I'd be sad, but it wouldn't stop me from getting value from Sublime in the future. If Sublime fits into your work flow now, why worry about when the next release will come out? If it doesn't then you should probably keep looking for something that will.


The logic is that it's better to suffer the pain of switching now than risk the possibility of that pain in the future. Go figure...
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Re: What's happening

Postby fburleigh on Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:07 pm

So each time this discussion recurs we get good restatements of the two or three points of view you could have about this. In general, I've held to the view that current ST3 bits work well for me, so I use them. I do notice the disinterest of the company that continues to take money for the software, but opt not to fret much, since the malaise doesn't have an operational cost.

Until today.

I've been doing more work with Ruby, and I wanted an REPL to exec code from the editor. wuub's SublimeREPL might do that. Trouble is, it doesn't quite work in my environment -- throws "issues." It's not really right to bug the author, who clearly tells us not to expect new work on his extensions until Sublime HQ clarifies ST's future.

I also use some paid extensions. And notice that they, too, are not advancing. They work *now*, but the time will come when the environment they assume changes. I fear they won't have much incentive to adjust.

Extensibility is one of the editor's great characteristics. But without stable and active core bits, the ecosystem surrounding that core will surely degrade.
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Re: What's happening

Postby yrammos on Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:31 pm

I very much hope actually that the bloke is not seriously ill, or in some other similar kind of acute distress, because this is the only event that could perhaps justify such a deafening and longstanding silence. And if, alas, this dreadful scenario were to be true, I would be the first to be regretful for expressing my exasperation on this forum.

It is difficult to imagine such a disappearance to be the result of indifference, mere indecisiveness, or strategy…
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Re: What's happening

Postby mrogur on Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:39 pm

In my opinion ST is dead. There is a lot of months from last release. I bought ST3 for 70$ last year march i suppose. I started even write IdeTools plugin for transform text editor to fully functional IDE. I hope Jon is alive and SublimeText story will continue to the happy end,
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Re: What's happening

Postby ntenney on Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:50 pm

koink wrote:The discussion is about new users... get a clue, a'it?


No need to get testy.

I was talking about new users. Once the software is purchased, if it works for what it was originally purchased for, then whether or not there is future development on the software is beside the point. Look at George R.R. Martin. He still writes on a wordstar word processor. He hasn't updated to a newer one because he's used to wordstar, and it fits his workflow. It doesn't matter that word has far more features than wordstar, or that wordstar doesn't even exist as a company any more. At the point where he bought wordstar, companies didn't tell users crap about update schedules, or future development. That didn't matter in his purchase. Wordstar did what he wanted it to do RIGHT THEN. So, my comment about purchasing if it meets your workflow now applies to new users, or to users that have used Sublime for years. If it's not meeting your needs, move on to something else, but don't base your purchase on what some software says it will deliver 6 months from now. If you do, you'll be screwed when they decide feature X is too much effort and it gets dropped. When I buy software, I buy it on the premise that it meets my needs now, not in some future release.
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Re: What's happening

Postby Xandrix on Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:06 pm

I just purchased the software today. I didn't have to, but I did. I bought it because it work well and I like the key combos and plugins (among other things).

Ultimately, it does sadden me to come into the forums and find out the developer has been MIA for a while. But I tend to not care as the software is already pretty solid for my needs (which are coding efficiently...).

What the developer(s) have created is pretty nice as it is. Hopefully they return and the community doesn't die off.
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