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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby guillermooo on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:17 am

C0D312 wrote:
I suspect a lot of the stress comes from redundancy... when multiple people have the same issue, they all seem to post on the forum and elsewhere about it. Guillermooo has done an awesome job with docs some far. For the past week or so he's been pushing updates left and right. We (mostly Guillermooo ;) ) are in the process of setting up templates for the doc site and the new "Knowledge Base" which will allow Sublime users to easily contribute and newcomers to overcome the initial ST learning curve (so people don't keep hoarding the forum, filling it will silly questions).


Thanks for that!

Agreed. The idea is obviously to spread as much knowledge as I've acquired over the past couple of years so we have a large base of intermediate users who can learn by themselves and help others. Doing so in forum posts has an inmediate effect, but info gets lost in noise quite fast, so I'm less active in the forum but try to identify recurrent problems and document them. I'd be curious to learn how many beginners actually take the time to skim through the docs, though. I don't think they are that many. There are actually a couple of hurdles to get to the docs in the first place...

In any case, I think a few people are doing a great job of helping out here now, which is great, because sublimator isn't posting 100 times a day any more. ;)
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby bizoo on Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:34 am

jps wrote:I suspect dev builds will have to be discontinued, and replaced with private nightly builds instead.

tito wrote:I like the ideas of above post such pushing devs release to people that already paid for the software.

Look like a good first step before going to something private:
- Limit users testing Dev Build.
- Registered users are probably more involved in testing/debugging ST2 and giving feedback.
- Bonus: increase number of people that register ! Everybody want to try new features ASAP...
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby jbjornson on Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:46 am

I must say that I would be heartbroken if I couldn't test the dev builds. Some updates aren't relevant for how I use the editor but I get excited whenever I see a new dev build is available :-)

@jps I also agree that it would help if you had more support with the defect/enhancement request triage. If I don't look at the forum for 2 days it is hard to catch up on what has happened and it must seem like an insurmountable task for you. I'm sure there are lots of people who would be willing to lend a helping hand, me included.
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby jps on Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:49 am

btw, by private, I don't mean truly private, just that at least reading the relevant dev build thread is a pre-requisite to getting the dev build. I'm not sure there's a reasonable way to implement such a thing (especially without disabling auto updating on OS X), but restricting them to registered users at least will be a start.
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby jbrooksuk on Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:18 am

Anybody who is registered and with a purchased license would narrow down all the people who forget this is a development build.

Jon, your work is absolutely incredible. Inspiring to myself, at which the rate you push builds for us. However your health and happiness in releasing these builds should come first. Don't forget that :)
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby wuub on Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:20 am

jbrooksuk wrote:Jon, your work is absolutely incredible. Inspiring to myself, at which the rate you push builds for us. However your health and happiness in releasing these builds should come first. Don't forget that :)


+ 2^80 :)
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby handycam on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:45 am

People everywhere don't understand a Dev build.. I see people posting on the Chrome dev releases that "it's buggy" and "fix it". Duh.

Perhaps there's something to be said about making only beta builds public, and dev builds an option for registered users only. And a board here at the forum for discussing dev builds only, open only to those people? Just a thought.

I beta test software for several developers, big and small, and understand the importance of test builds AND giving the kind of feedback devs need for those builds. There are obviously several people on this forum who get it, too.

If you download a dev build, it might not work -- only do it if you feel like testing, taking note, and giving detailed feedback on bugs. If you want to just do work with ST2, the latest beta is pretty solid, and I use it every day with no problems.
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby whee on Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:47 pm

Anyone else notice a funny wrapping problem? (This was in 2182, too.)

Start with:
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Select it, wrap at 80 characters. It disappears.

Then try:
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Select it, wrap at 80 characters. It turns into:
Code: Select all
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby sublimator on Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:33 pm

jps wrote:That was in the good old days


Thems there were the days :) You even answered emails back then
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Re: Dev Build 2183

Postby wbond on Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:00 pm

tito wrote:I think the situation can be improved if there were some people moderating the forums. ( volunteers ) You know, a more open community that drives by itself.

Volunteers, stick threads, remove spam, move, organize, close threads and point people to the right locations ( educating users ).


There are volunteers who stick threads, answer questions and remove spam right now. There is not much moving or organizing that happens.

Jumping in and helping out where you can is probably the best approach. guillermooo has always done the most work in terms of writing documentation and I see recently he has been moving it all into GitHub. The more people that can contribute to that and point people in that direction, the better off we become. Forums are good for conversation, but are not an ideal tool for curated, and up-to-date information.

Out of necessity the hosting of the community documentation and the hosting of the package system will probably always be done by an individual due to security, but the docs and almost every single package are open source and anyone can jump in and help out by answer questions, improving them or fixing bugs.
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