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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby domdidom on Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:49 pm

xeno.by wrote:By the way instead of hotkeys you could also use command palette.


I know I have to get used to the hotkeys and even haven't used the command palette yet :oops:
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby xeno.by on Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:50 pm

To be honest I also have a problem with all these hotkey incantations. So I have a bunch of the most useful commands mapped on Ctrl+Shift+stuff (except for basics like Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V) and invoke the rest with the palette.
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby domdidom on Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:53 pm

iamntz wrote:@domdidom: You probably misunderstood. pro as in pros and cons, not pro as in professional.

If pressing few keys is too much, you can always create a macro.

Btw, how can you type code if you have a bad memory? :)


Hello, sorry for my "pros" misspelling - i edited my first post to correct that.
I'm a french guy and still need to improve my english. But I think I understood your "pro" right..
I just need a good way to insert my images :P

About my memory, I'm working on it 8-)
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby ReinierK on Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:51 pm

If I may chip in:

You're comparing a text editor to a visual HTML editor (not very dissimilar to Frontpage and the likes).
It's basically comparing hand written code to generated code, which is not a very useful comparison to make.

Since ST2 is a text editor, it's focussed on keyboard use. If you don't like that, then there are no real alternatives when it comes to pure text editing.

Trust me: you're better off writing your stuff "by hand" then using editors that provide you with "short-cuts" and generate code for you.
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby domdidom on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:24 pm

ReinierK wrote:If I may chip in:
You're comparing a text editor to a visual HTML editor (not very dissimilar to Frontpage and the likes).
It's basically comparing hand written code to generated code, which is not a very useful comparison to make.


Hello, sorry, but Webuilder is a code editor.. maybe I should have precised it.

8-)
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby facelessuser on Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:53 pm

domdidom wrote:Hello, sorry, but Webuilder (from Blumentals Software) is a code editor.. maybe I should have precised it.

8-)


This may be so, but it is directed at web developers specifically. A guy like me, who doesn't do web stuff for my job, would find most of the web stuff useless bloat. That is why I prefer that ST2 is a basic text editor (with awesome features mind you) and allows plugins for people who have specific needs.

I am not against toolbars (some people love them and used proper I can like them to), but I personally would be hiding it in ST2 so I could see more of my code. With things like the command palette, all I have to do is bring it up and start typing what I want to do and it shows up. If I remember the shortcut, even better, and if I don't, the command palette always tells me what the shortcut is if it has one.

With a toolbar, I have to move my hand away from the keyboard, find that icon (if it is one I don't use often, finding takes a bit longer) and click it. If you have a lot of icons in the toolbar, it becomes more frustrating. Toolbars work best when they are simple..like web browsers before plugins add a billion buttons. That is what infuriates me about things like MS word...a billion little toolbar icons. MS Word, Excel etc. could really benefit from a command palette I think.

Anyways, I don't think an optional toolbar would hurt anything, I just don't think it is "needed". Imagine as well all the devs who put together plugins: now they would have to create toolbar buttons. Oh the horror of non-graphic designers throwing together crappy buttons.
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby ReinierK on Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:06 pm

domdidom wrote:
ReinierK wrote:If I may chip in:
You're comparing a text editor to a visual HTML editor (not very dissimilar to Frontpage and the likes).
It's basically comparing hand written code to generated code, which is not a very useful comparison to make.


Hello, sorry, but Webuilder is a code editor.. maybe I should have precised it.

8-)

I stand corrected, I should have looked into it a bit further. But my point more or less remains valid: it's a visually oriented editor by the looks of it (and I'm talking about all the Office-like buttons).

I also doubt it will try to teach you best practices (like using relative sizes and the sorts).

What I find so incredibly great about ST2, is that is comes "unbiased", as in it doesn't really do that much for you based on what you're writing, it simply gives you great tools to increase your productivity and speed.
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby domdidom on Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:03 pm

Sure, I understand.. actually I'm not really against it and would like to be able to code with it as it is.

My comparison of the pros is only to ask you guys who know ST2 if you know how to do some stuff I can't do well with it yet.

Like,

- Inserting an image not only the img tag, but the source/path to the image easily.
- How to print the code.. cause the printing plugin doesn't work for me.
- Using another colorpicker.. maybe by being able to start the any you want.

these things would be great :)

Another thing, the printing code is to able to document code for myself.. but apart being able to put comments in the code.. do you guys know of any software that enable you to comment code ? :idea:
What I mean is having the code syntax highlighted and putting some speech bubles with text here and there to explain the code for me (bad memory) or someone who will have to use the code later. So that I can be able to edit it again if I have to, and print it out..

Not sure I'm explaining this clearly.. :oops:
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Re: Sublime Text 2 vs WeBuilder

Postby ReinierK on Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:56 pm

Hey there,

I can only give my opinion on these things:
  • inserting images (and other tags) is easiest with Zen-coding. Paths to images I always type by hand, as they're always in short locations like '/images/sprites.png'. I'm not sure why you would need another way of inserting images ;-)
  • do you mean physically printing the code on a printer? What would be the reason for that? Sorry if I don't understand, but it seems a little... awkward to me ;-)
  • I think there's a colour picker plugin: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3350

For commenting code, I recommend use DocBlockr, a good way of commenting your code. This is available is a ST2 plugin.

I recommend installing package manager by Will Bond and then installing plugins through his awesome package manager.

Again: if you could clarify why you need these specific functionality I might be able to help you better. Somehow it seems to me you're using some unusual practices and you would be better off changing them, instead of looking for tools that help you out ;-)
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