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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby SeanWcom on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:52 pm

iamntz wrote:
That's enough off topic for now...

Sure! Not that the rest of the project was very on topic! :mrgreen: :ugeek:


Topic? Topic?!? This is the internet! We don't need no steenkin topic!
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby iamntz on Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:19 pm

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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby amphetamine on Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:20 am

Someone already stole my bit. :D

I mean, you can more or less assume that any medium or large business is gonna have bought licenses and, given that, if we say maybe 1 in 20 people are using a licensed copy then we're looking at a few million dollars in revenue over the lifetime of ST. That's extremely speculative but to say ST isn't very profitable was probably conservative to say the least.

Anyway, I didn't mean to be so abrasive in my first post, I was just very tired at the end of a nightmare week.

The price of ST probably isn't unreasonable at all for some people, but for non-professionals like me all of the products listed in this thread are quite steep!
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby sublimator on Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:21 am

Jon is the quintessential mad scientist toiling away in solitude.

Doesn't care much for distractions.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby tack on Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:20 pm

I find ST2 to be expensive also, but not in license costs. The $60 is peanuts compared to the investment in changing my workflow, and the opportunity costs from that.

I've been using ST2 since October and I'm still not sure if it's for me. It has its quirks, but I can live with them because it also has great features. The biggest thing keeping me on the fence has been the development lifecycle. It's not OSS -- fine, I don't want to flog that horse again -- but that does mean visibility into the product's development progress is that much more important to me. Especially since it's a one-man show. Yet there hasn't been a blog post from the author since late July, and not even a "nightly" build since September.

This, to me, is why ST2 is expensive.
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby Nova on Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:29 am

tack wrote:[...] but that does mean visibility into the product's development progress is that much more important to me. Especially since it's a one-man show. Yet there hasn't been a blog post from the author since late July, and not even a "nightly" build since September.


Completely agree.
OR (let me put this way): I don't think that the price for ST2 is so high... or, at least, the productivity you get back pays for the cost of the product.
BUT, should I but ST2 today, with the above mentioned "problems"??

Don't get me wrong: I'm loving ST2, but some "life signal" from the developer would be appreciated... ;)
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby amphetamine on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:09 pm

Very good point. I only recently discovered ST and I was on board all the time I thought the development speed was still high. I could ignore the flaws, expecting them to be ironed out within a reasonable timespan, but I haven't scraped together the money for a license because I don't want to line up behind the wrong product too soon. For an unpaid developer like me, it's a substantial price to pay for something I might later regret.
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby ldj on Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:58 pm

Don't get me wrong: I'm loving ST2, but some "life signal" from the developer would be appreciated...


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:arrow: btw, i'm considering to buy ST2, but i'm waiting for some news. If today I buy ST2 , and tomorrow it's launch of ST3 gonna be sad.
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby NoxArt on Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:18 pm

quarnster wrote:If the stats at http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/community are accurate, there are 838990 users of package control. Granted, not every package control user has paid for ST2, not every paying user use package control and there are many who have paid but have since switched to another editor. But as an exercise lets say that the numbers are totally accurate, that 10% of the Package Control users have paid for a license, that the editor has been in development for exactly 5 years and that it has always cost $59. That gives us (838990*0.1*59)/(5*12) ~= $82500/month


Yea, however 10% conversion ratio in case when the product can also theoretically be used for free ... I would not be that optimistic

Take a look at youtube videos, usually only 1% of people seeing the video rate it ... and that costs 1 second and $0

As written by Seth Godin...
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Re: Why buy ST2 is so expensive ?

Postby amphetamine on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:03 pm

NoxArt wrote:
quarnster wrote:If the stats at http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/community are accurate, there are 838990 users of package control. Granted, not every package control user has paid for ST2, not every paying user use package control and there are many who have paid but have since switched to another editor. But as an exercise lets say that the numbers are totally accurate, that 10% of the Package Control users have paid for a license, that the editor has been in development for exactly 5 years and that it has always cost $59. That gives us (838990*0.1*59)/(5*12) ~= $82500/month


Yea, however 10% conversion ratio in case when the product can also theoretically be used for free ... I would not be that optimistic

Take a look at youtube videos, usually only 1% of people seeing the video rate it ... and that costs 1 second and $0

As written by Seth Godin...

That result wouldn't have separated unregistered users because it's highly unlikely he would've had access to the data needed, so it's a poor analogy given that all Sublime users can be considered "registered". What's more, people like me don't rate YouTube videos, generally speaking, because it's pointless but I do sometimes buy proprietary software. Different strokes and all that.
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